Walcott vs Charles. Credit to Oldskoolbball for the full clip - youtu.be/4iLgwkzyeDsA classic moment between the two greatest heavyweights of all-time. Round Eight –Louis performed consistently better than Ali. Now, if we extend out the Ali years up to the first Frazier fight, they’d be just short of Joe, but, remember, Ali also relinquished his Ring belt early so his good buddy Jimmy Ellis could fight for it. Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling refers to two separate fights between the two which are among boxing's most talked about bouts. Ali touched up Hunsaker some with a bloody nose and cut eye for a 6 round unanimous decision and a healthy $2000 purse for the day. Ali would put his finger to his nose pressing it flat and then speak while slurring his speech pretending to stumble around on unsteady feet. Louis on the other hand performed at his best, knocking out Schmeling in a round. 10 Answers. Louis gave Ali his famous deadpan look and said, “You would have been on the tour.” Touché. Louis was even on the scorecards after five rounds until his old legs started to give way to Marciano’s pressure. For example, Jersey Joe Walcott and Ken Norton were comparatively even in quality, but Ali struggled in all three fights with Norton. Ali 38, was completely dominated in a one-sided loss to Larry Holmes retiring on his stool at the end of the 10th not having won a round, then lost clearly on points to Trevor Berbick. The closest thing to Louis was Mike Tyson. Published by Kelsey Media Ltd. Kelsey Media Ltd, Registered No. Collapse. I walked over and asked to be let in on the fun. Joe 13 such fights, 10-3 9 KO vs Ali 14 such fights, 11-3, 8 KO. Top of the Food Chain, Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali? Actually though Louis’ last fight and Ali’s pro debut were nine years apart. 01-27-2017, 09:53 PM Many experts still rank Joe Louis as the greatest Heavyweight of all time, so how would Joe Louis … That is saying a lot because Louis was bigger than life to the black community and Americans at large when he fought. Hank Meyer, president and salesman with a one other partner in SPS, was instrumental in setting this competition up, and contended at the time that it was his idea. Relevance. Joe Louis vs Ali, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman? Round 11 – Louis was the greatest finisher of all time. Louis wurde zu einem Idol und Symbol der Emanzipation für die ausgegrenzte und diskriminierte afro-amerikanische Bevölkerung in den USA. Today the roles are reversed. It was rare when Louis had a man in trouble and let him off the hook. Rocky Marciano vs Roy Jones Jr. - Jones Jr will be ahead on the score cards when Marciano shatters Jones glass chin all over the canvas . There are some of his fights in which he could not be hit at all, and when he did get hit, his chin acted as a shock absorber to take the contact. His sense of humor and how he connected with the public both socially and as an athlete made him a man for the ages. Posts; Latest Activity . Joe Louis vs Ali, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman? Jack Dempsey may have had … The difference, which Louis would discover around round 6, is that Sonny can't put combinations together the way Louis can. That said, Ali had trouble with the likes of Frazier and Norton, both of whom were lesser versions of Louis. 1255. There is a reasonable chance he would have opened up Ali’s defense and landed his trademark combinations of which no one could have stood up to for long. Consider this, Louis was every bit as devastating as Tyson ever was but did it over a much longer period of time. Ali’s popularity was such that a few years earlier he was warmly greeted by President Gerald Ford at the White House. Follow Schmeling took the first match by a knockout in round 12 but in the second match, Louis won with a knockout in the first round. 21 votes, 19 comments. Motley could also clear out the defense in support of his running back and quarterback, hard, gritty work that was beneath Brown, and Motley also pulled fulltime duty as linebacker, a two way, 60 minute player, something the coddled Brown was never good for. Even did a stint with the Harlem Globetrotters before his NBA career, damned hard to top that. Ali by TKO 13. Here’s a quick look and overview without being too long winded in what’s a capsule summation. Pro Debut: Joe, age 20 yrs, 1 month, 22 days, coming off winning the United States National AAU tournament with a final record of 50-4, 43 KO, debuted @ 181 lbs against Jack … Joe Louis VS. Muhammad Ali by Trent Mervine 1938 - KO Schmeling 1942 - Army "Poster Boy" 1949 - Retired 1914-1981 1933 - National Recognition 1936 - Loss to Schmeling 1937 - Heavyweight Champ LOUIS: 6' 3", 236 lbs Record: 56 - 5 Cocky personality Draft Dodger American Icon "The Wilt a world class volleyball player in his retirement, the best in his day. On the other hand, Ali had a number of close calls. Cool Guy. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Louis? What are the career records of Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali? As great as Ali was, the bottom line is that he actually lost the most highly anticipated contest of his career. Prior he was no more than a po’ sharecropper’s boy from Podunk, Alabama. Replies (1) 1 0. arcalades LSU Fan USA Member since Feb 2014 15820 posts. Although Louis’ opponents were respectable his dominance was such that it was called the Bum of the Month tour. When old fight films are replayed on television we see a lot more of Ali’s than Louis’. OK, clearly Joe is vastly superior, but there are records and then there are RECORDS, so let’s delve deeper. 0. Louis hit a hell of a lot harder than Ali, and while not quite Forman's equal in power, Louis more than made up for it with technique and boxing skill. Had Louis campaigned for his place in ring history as Ali did, perhaps we would still regard him as the best. In three fights in succession he barely scraped through. Ali beats Joe Louis by Unanimous Decision. Top-10 Running Backs in College Football History, 10 College Legends Who Never Played in the NFL, High School Football Spotlight: Tayden Carpenter, QB, Ironton, The 9 Most Overrated Coaches in College Football History, Savannah Marshall Puts Maria Lindberg Down for the Count, Shannon Courtenay Outlasts Ebanie Bridges in London Slugfest. Juni 1936 schockte die deutsche Box-Legende Max Schmeling den aufstrebenden Joe Louis in einem brisanten Duell. Joe Louis was known as being a highly-skilled, disciplined fighter, but was also probably a bigger puncher in his prime than Tyson was. Rope A Dope: Boots Ennis Step-Up Bout! Round Two – Ali is considered a modern fighter, Louis is regarded as an Old Timer. Louis was perhaps the hardest, most precise puncher in heavyweight history. His prime years would have been between 1967-1970 provided he stayed active and wasn't banned from boxing. Louis stopped six men who at one time held the undisputed world heavyweight title. Ali has helped to perpetuate this myth, by describing Louis as a slow shuffling fighter who never could have caught up to him. Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling, June 22, 1938 Louis had more on his mind than rematch redemption after suffering his first career defeat to Schemling on a 12th-round KO in June 1936. Lv 4. Can … Ali's performances against Foreman and in Liston 1showed how he would've found a way to beat anyone with a powerful punch...By boxing and moving against Liston when he was younger, and by out-thinking Foreman and using rope-a-dope when he … Joe only had two, the first Buddy Baer and JJ Walcott fights which he quickly avenged with savage KOs in the rematches vs far too many controversial fights for Ali, really too embarrassing to mention that he always benefited from every controversy. 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Long before we debated Ali vs Tyson we argued about Jack Dempsey vs Joe Louis, writes Jack Hirsch DREAM FIGHTS, those that match boxers from different eras, is always a fun conversation to have. Heck Joe Louis in his prime nearly lost to a guy that weighed no more than 179lbs and didnt box nearly as good as Ali and had much less power. Joe Louis vs Muhammad Ali WarlordEternal. Joe Louis vs Ali, Liston, Frazier, and Foreman? Ali will make him look like a fool. Today's match pits Muhammad Ali (56-5 37KO) vs. Joe Louis (69-3 55KO). The Ring Fighter of the Year: 1936 Joe Louis, 1938 Joe Louis, 1939 Joe Louis, 1941 Joe Louis, 1963 Muhammad Ali, 1972 Muhammad Ali, 1974 Muhammad Ali, 1975 Muhammad Ali and 1978 Muhammad Ali. The difference, which Louis would discover around round 6, is that Sonny can't put combinations together the way Louis can. Louis scored 4 KO's in rounds 11-15 while Ali scored 8. Bert Sugar perhaps infamously chose Cleveland fullback Jim Brown for his all time greatest athlete. Ali, age 18 yrs, 9 months and 12 days, coming off Olympic Lightheavy Gold glory with a multitude of final ama record claims, debuts @ 192 lbs, October 29th, 1960, in his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky against Tunney Hunsaker, 16-9-1, a Sunday School teacher and police chief of Fayetteville, West Virginia. Most can finally admit Joe whooped the holy jinn out of him the first fight, and did it in spite of referee Mercante near poking out his only good eye midway through the fight. X. Joe with 2 KO losses vs Ali with 1 KO loss. Demetrius Andrade vs Liam Williams: Mission Possible, Joel Tambwe Djeko: ‘I don’t think Tony Yoka has the savage instinct’, Don't miss any action. Round Five – Louis was better at an older age than Ali. Joe #1 when he challenged Champion Charles in 1950, age 36, and #6 against #2 Marciano in 1951, age 37. I remember seeing him do this in front of Joe Louis. The difference though is that Louis left no doubt the second time around in how he outclassed the opposition, but Ali’s opponents still remained highly competitive. Louis is a bit quicker but Sonny has greater reach and more power. Ali had a total of 61 fights while Walcott had 71. Add in the close victories over Frazier, Ken Norton, and Jimmy Young and it becomes plain to see that Louis was clearly the more dominant fighter of the two. Joe 13 such fights, 10-3 9 KO vs Ali 14 such fights, 11-3, 8 KO. Sign In / Register; Search . Well stop looking around, for arguments sake and to play devil’s advocate we are making a case over 15 rounds of why the Brown Bomber is still number one: Louis and Ali were the polar opposites. Ali vs Jack Dempsey: verdict -- "Ali vs Dempsey would have been a mismatch, with the old 'Manassa Mauler' being confused, outsmarted, outboxed and outclassed." re: Joe Louis: How I would have clobbered Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) Posted by arcalades on 3/5/15 at 10:39 am to Bench McElroy. Antwort Speichern. The Brown Bomber made 25 straight successful title defenses, a record for the heavyweight division. He was all of 6′ 2,” and threw head-snapping combinations. Beste Antwort. If they both met in their prime i.e the Joe frazier that beat Muhammad Ali vs a prime Joe Louis who wins and why? Although things like that should not count in rating a boxer’s prowess, to some people they do. Joe clearly superior though Ali managed to slide into Ring ratings a year earlier than Joe because of his earlier debut. Joe #1 in his first year of eligibility, age 20 vs Ali #9 in his first year of eligibility, age 19. I think Joe Louis stops Joe Frazier by TKO around round 12. Drops Kracken in the opening seconds and then blasts him through the ropes into the lap of the shocked Illinois commish to formally announce to the world the transformation from Joe Barrow to Joe Louis. On the biggest stage it was the Brown Bomber who fared better. In the real, not never was, world, styles make fights. In that scenario, everyone Jim Thorpe, fresh off an Indian reservation, won both Pentathlon and Decathlon Olympic gold medals in Sweden, then played major league baseball for several years before co-founding and becoming the first ever star of the National Football League. We are Marshall: What Was True and What Was Not? While Ali’s foot speed was far superior, his hand speed was not.
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